How many rings Steph needs?
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To be considered best PG of all time ? And i mean as him being lead dog, not once his at his tail of his carrier.
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One more & a finals mvp. There’s already people here who think he’s better than magic
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Another ring +FMVP, maybe another MVP.
All 3 could potentially come this year,
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@knezius to be considered the undisputed greatest (a la Tom Brady)? Probably 3 more.
Some people already have him there. Some people have him close. Some people see Magic with 5 and think Steph has a ways to go.
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@nba2kpdx said in How many rings Steph needs?:
Tom Brady
I remember a time when people argued that Peyton Manning would go down as the best QB of all time over Brady
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2 more and 2 finals mvps I don’t think he passes magic tho
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I don't think Steph passes Magic unless some really crazy shit happens for the next 3-4 years (i.e. him keeping up the tear he's on for that long of a period).
after that he's in his late 30s; he could still be a threat on the court but my guess is that he'd have to change his game up a bit.
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@element said in How many rings Steph needs?:
I remember a time when people argued that Peyton Manning would go down as the best QB of all time over Brady
There was nothing wrong with this. By 2011 Peyton was the better regular-season player, was responsible for the most efficient offensive seasons ever (team-wise), and had a Super Bowl and SMVP. Brady played with better defenses and played for the much better coach (Dungy was great but he wasnt even close to Bill).
It wasn't until 2014-onward that Brady fully outlived and surpassed Manning -- especially after Manning's 2013 season collapse in the SB.
So back then, it was not outlandish. I think it's actually kind of weird that you'd reflect on it retrospectively like it was some super hot take. Historically up until that point, nobody played at Tom's high level in the mid-40's and won championships. He is an anomaly now.
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@danali said in How many rings Steph needs?:
retrospectively
I for one knew Tom would be playing at all All Pro level well into his mid-40's but no one believed me.
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People saying Steph is better than magic with 3 rings, no finals MVPS are literally the definition of in the moment casuals….I’m sorry.
Steph needs to win more rings and dominate every finals he’s in from here on out to touch magic.
Is it possible? I’d say it’s definitely possible…if Steph can play the way he’s playing right now for 3 more seasons, win the chip and get the FMVP (he doesn’t even need league MVP) I’ll give him the nod over magic.
But he is NOT better than magic right now. He is the best point guard of his generation, by miles.
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I'm not saying that I believe he is right now but there is definitely a case that can be made for Steph > Magic and vice versa.
Neither side is completely wrong at this point
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Curry has the best chance at beating magic, better than any other PG….but he’s gonna have to go absolutely ape shit in a few more finals and he’s gonna need to win them and get them FMVP’s. In regular season and deep playoffs he’s been a beast, but magic was dominant from start to finish. Curry just has to show that if he goes to the finals a few more times. It’s not an easy task and i don’t think we should cut him slack and just say he’s surpassed magic because he’s a 3 point god.
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@12th I personally probably lean a little more toward the Magic side at this point but I can see myself settling on Steph eventually even without all those things you listed.
How one feels about this particular debate will probably come down to which they value more in all time ranking, the numbers or the hardware.
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@yosemite_ham i think Steph is the more dominant scorer, for sure.
I think magic is the most dominant all around. I mean dude came in as a rookie and won a ring…and he didn’t stop dominating until he was forced to retire. Magic never had a bad year. If not for MJ coming into the league, it’s not impossible that magic could’ve won 3 more times….he was that good.
Steph had a slow start, but his ascension is probably the greatest arc in NBA history for sure.
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It would be tough to get past John Stockton. I think if he gets another FMVP and another ring, he could be a solid #2.
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Would Stockton be an allstar in today's NBA?
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@yosemite_ham he’d be a better Kyle Lowry lol
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@yosemite_ham Seeing as how he's Chris Paul 2.0, he'd get in easy every year.
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Im a huge fan of Steph ( obviously )
But i just respect both opinions
Skill and scoring wise Steph is above magic , but this happens with a lot of modern players
Magic won a lot and his passing on a era where you really need to needle the ball to get assists …
Different type of players ,
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@yosemite_ham he would be a better tj mcconell
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All time great, perennial all star or good role player. Might be time for the John Stockton thread
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He needs 2 more rings while winning a finals mvp for both, Magic was best player for majority of his championships so it's only fair Curry wins 2 imo.
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@goatbr0k magic was arguably the best player on the planet (him or bird tbh) until Jordan showed up…and we’re talking maybe 3-4 years into Jordan’s career. Magic dominated the league for over a decade, i can’t say curry has done that….Lebron is the most dominant player of the new era. So even with the hardware it’s pretty hard to put curry over magic just based off the fact that magic was untouchable from the 80’s until the 90’s.
I think people really forget how dominant and otherworldly his run was. Curry’s close, but just off the fact that he never ran an era and he was slow starting out kinda puts him out of the convo for me.
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Kyle Korver with handles lol
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@12th said in How many rings Steph needs?:
.Lebron is the most dominant player of the new era
With a 4-6 Finals Record?
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@quantumkat don’t matter, he dominated this era. He went to 10 finals, win or lose. Only a hater would say that’s not a dominating run. Every professional sports writer says he’s the most dominant of his era, majority wins.
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I know y’all ain’t prepared to hear this from me, but in my eyes, their greatness is pretty close to even. I think an MVP or one more ring make it inarguable. They’re different players and style but their effect on NBA history is similar. We never saw anything close to these men before they got to the league in their respective times.
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@juicy-j-8787 until Steph beats an incurable, terminal disease i don’t wanna hear it!
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lebrons run can be summed up this way - dominated all the 2k dom teams but didn't get all the reward cards i.e. got 90 stars or so. 10 finals appearance is such an impressive feat. dominated the era but didn't dominate the NBA Finals if it makes sense
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@12th I just can't find flaming out in the Finals evidence of dominance, especially when he did it coming out of an obviously weak Eastern Conference.
He had a real chance to be dominant, but that loss to Dirk... Yikes... He won a Ring Pop in the Bubble, sure but got bounced in the 1st round the next year. Now his team is barely above .500.
Dunno... When I think of dominance I think MJ. It's fine for me to say that no one was truly dominant in an era. How can somebody be considered dominant when they've held so many Ls? Even against other players in their era?
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I’m not the biggest Bron rider but 10 Finals are impressive as hell any way you slice it. I very much doubt we ever see that again in our lifetimes. Wasn’t it also like 8 or 9 in a row!? Sheesh. Think about the injuries and just all sorts of bad luck that could’ve happened and he got through most of it. KD will never do it, Kawhi, Curry, Luka, Giannis, none of them will ever come close to that.
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What's curry's most impressive ring so far
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@juicy-j-8787 yeah that's great he made it, but you gotta win to be dominant.
Beating up on the severely weak Eastern Conference doesn't impress me much. Sorry...
These numbers don't say dominance to me.
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@gobles the first one, even though cavs didn’t have kyrie or k love
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Of course this turned into a bron debate
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It all depends on what we’re talking about. Are we saying Bron is the GOAT? That’s not really my view. Bron played whoever was in front of him. We’re also talking about the super team era currently where most of the NBA was top heavy anyways. There isn’t a West player that made it to consecutive finals from the time Bron went to Miami until the Warriors came along. And then they played 3 straight times! Warriors got 2 of the 3. I don’t think there’s anything negative about that. Unless we’re saying the Warriors aren’t the greatest team assembled? If we’re making comparisons, MJ never played anything like the Warriors.
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@juicy-j-8787 the KD warriors is by far the best roster ever built imo
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Precisely my take as well. The only black marks on Bron though that are legit to me are The Decision, and the loss to the Mavs. I don’t knock him for splitting with the prime Popovoch Spurs and those Warriors.
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@juicy-j-8787 said in How many rings Steph needs?:
MJ never played anything like the Warriors
Good point. MJ actually played in the watered down expansion era.
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@nba2kpdx said in How many rings Steph needs?:
@juicy-j-8787 said in How many rings Steph needs?:
MJ never played anything like the Warriors
Good point. MJ actually played in the watered down expansion era.
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To say Lebron didn’t dominate his era is pure hater ass
I refuse to give credence to such bullshit, sorry @QuantumKat
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@12th 4-6. Abysmal NBA Finals win percentage. Lost to Dirk. Nah bruh.
Not dominant. No one was.
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@quantumkat that’s because you’re a Bron hater, your opinion is biased and invalid.
Much like skip babeless
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@juicy-j-8787 genuine question. If you don’t fault lebron for losing to the spurs, then why is it seen as if there is absolute no debate that Timmy D could be better than lebron?
I always hear it’s cause of longevity, but Tim Duncan had insane longevity too. Was all nba first team at 36, and all nba third team at 38. Tim Duncan even has more rings than him.
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@nd13 Duncan won a ring at 37... Just saying
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@12th said in How many rings Steph needs?:
@quantumkat that’s because you’re a Bron hater, your opinion is biased and invalid.
Much like skip babeless
Nah, my argument here is rational and based on fact. LeBron's NBA Finals record and win percentage is too weak to call him dominant. He made it to the Finals so often because the East was way weaker than the West.
